Troublemaker: The Fierce, Unruly Life of Jessica Mitford and Pride (Harper, November 2025) and Pride and Pleasure: The Schuyler Sisters in an Age of Revolution (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, October 2025) are the latest books by these veteran authors. Carla Kaplan is an award-winning Northeastern University professor who has published seven previous books, including Zora Neale Hurston: A Life in Letters and Miss Anne in Harlem: The White Women of the Black Renaissance, both New York Times Notable Books.

Amanda Vaill has authored three previous biographies, Hotel Florida, Somewhere, and the best-selling Everybody Was So Young – a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award. She also co-authored, contributed to, or edited several books in the field of arts and culture. Vaill is an Emmy-nominated screenwriter, and her journalism and criticism have appeared in many publications. In December 2025, Kaplan’s Troublemaker and Vail’s Pride and Pleasure biographies were longlisted for the 2025 National Book Critics Circle Awards. In this special episode, Kaplan and Vaill interview each other about their research and writing journeys.